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Wednesday, 20 April 2022

William Thomas Shotter and Hannah Jane Bussey

Portsea, Kings Bench Alley
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Footpath from Queen Street to Kent Street.

William Thomas Shotter (b. 20 May 1845, bap. 15 Jun 1845 at St Mary's Church, Portsea), Purveyor of Kent Street, son of William Shotter and Elizabeth Taylor, married Hannah Jane Bussey (b. 1847), daughter of James Wilmot Bussey and Ellen Jane Munday, at St Mary's Church, Portsea on 8 Dec 1867.

Witnesses to this marriage were Sarah Ann Bussey, the bride's elder sister and James Bussey, who will have been either her father or younger brother.

William's father, William Shotter, was a butcher at 31, Kent Street, Portsea in 1851 and at 55, Queen Street, Portsea in 1861. Hannah's father, James Wilmot Bussey, listed as a Cattle Dealer on the marriage certificate, at 213-215 Commercial Road, in 1861 was listed as a Pork Butcher. All are listed in Portsmouth Local History, list of Butchers, Meat Dealers (PDF). This must have been a marriage of Portsmouth meat royalty, with extra sausage!

William and Hannah had nine children:

  1. Elizabeth Alice Shotter b. 1868 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 433, died, aged 22, on 3 Sep 1891 and was buried on 7 Sep 1891 at Portsea Cemetery (Kingston Cemetery)
  2. Ellen Jane Shotter b. 1870 M Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 465, died aged 1, buried, on 15 Oct 1871, at Portsmouth, Kingston Cemetery
  3. Emma Shotter b. 1871 D Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 414
  4. Kate Shotter b. Dec 1874, reg. 1875 M Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 435, died aged 1, buried, on 17 Dec 1875, at Kingston Cemetery
  5. William George Shotter b. 21 May 1876 in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 447
  6. Mabel Shotter b. 23 May 1879 in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 459
  7. Alfred Shotter b. 1882 S Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 486
  8. George Shotter b. 1884 J Quarter in ALVERSTOKE Vol 02B Page 583
  9. Ruby Beatrice Shotter b. 10 May 1886 in PORTSEA Vol 02B Page 479
In 1871, at 31, Kent Street, Portsea, were William Shotter (25) Master Butcher, wife Jane Shotter (24), Elizabeth (2), Ellen (1) and Charlotte Dadd (21) Servant.

In 1881, at 24, Butcher Street, Portsea (aptly named, more central and probably indicative of their importance), were William Shotter (36) Master butcher employing 1 man and 2 boys; wife listed as Anna J (34), Elizabeth A (12), Emma (9), Mabel (1) and Alice E Booker (16) Servant. William (5) was staying with his aunt, Susan Baker, Hannah's sister, at at 37, North Street, Portsea.

In 1891, at 334, Fratton Road, Portsea: William T Shotter (46) Butcher, Jane Shotter (44), Lizzie (22), Mabel (11), Alfie (8), George (6), Rose (Ruby Beatrice) (4) and Anne Tolfrey (20) Servant. William George (15), I've not located.

In 1901, William T Shotter (56) was 'Living on own means' (retired) at Laureldene, London Road, Portsmouth, with wife Anna J Shotter (53), Mabel Shotter (21), Alfred Shotter (18) Engineer Fitter and Ruby B Shotter (14).

Hannah Jane Shotter, wife of William Shotter, of Queen's Road, Buckland, died aged 55 on 7 Jul 1902 and was buried on 9 Jul 1902 at Portsea Cemetery.

Then William Thomas Shotter (59), Cattle Dealer, widower of 161 Victoria Road North, Southsea, son of William Shotter, Butcher, married Rosina Jane Nash (45), widow, reputedly the daughter of Alfred George Dorman, Builder on 8 Sep 1904 at St Peter's Church, Southsea. (Curiously, I can find no record, anywhere, of any marriage between Dorman and Nash; no birth of a Rosina Jane Dorman around 1859 and nobody named Alfred George Dorman of an appropriate age whatsoever. Nor any records of a Rosina Jane Shotter after this.)

William Thomas Shotter of Queens Road, Portsea, died aged 62, on 15 Mar 1907 and was buried on 19 Mar 1907 at Portsea Cemetery.

Friday, 11 March 2022

James Wilmot Bussey and Ellen Jane Munday

Saint Mary's Church, Alverstoke
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James Wilmot Bussey (b. 1824), son of Benjamin Bussey and Elizabeth Bowen and elder brother of Caroline BusseyHannah Bussey and Susannah Bussey, married Ellen Jane Munday, (bap. 7 Dec 1824 in Bishop's Waltham, illegitimate daughter of Jane Munday) on 27 Jul 1845 in Alverstoke

James and Jane Bussey had at least 12 children:
  1. Sarah Ann Bussey Munday b. 2 Apr 1845, bap. 31 Jul 1853 at St Mary's Church, Portsea, listed only with mother's name, Ellen Jane Munday
  2. Hannah Jane Bussey b. 1847 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 131, bap. 31 Jul 1853 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  3. Caroline Bussey b. 1849 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 137, bap. 27 Nov 1853 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  4. James Bussey b. 1851 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Vol 07 Pg 143
  5. Ellen Bussey b. 1853 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Vol 02B Pg 310
  6. Benjamin Bussey b. 27 Feb 1855 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 328, bap. 7 Oct 1855 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  7. Susan Rhoda Bussey b. 1857 M Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B Pg 371
  8. Francis Henry Bussey b. 1859 J Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B  Pge352
  9. Alice Bussey b. 1861 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 360, died 1861 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 229
  10. Elizabeth Bussey b. 1862 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Vol 02B Pg 324
  11. Richard Bussey b. 1864 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Vol 02B Pg 370
  12. Mary Agnes Bussey b. 1867 S Quarter in PORTSEA Vol 02B Pg 387
The mother's maiden name listed on the civil birth registrations include: Munday, Monday, Mundy and even Munslay [iv]. Variations are nothing unusual.

In 1851, James Bussey (26) Butcher, in Landport View, with wife Jane Bussey (25), Sarah Bussey (6) and Caroline Bussey (2). Hannah Jane as Jane Bussey (4) was staying with Thomas Churcher (52) a Sawyer from Titchfield, Hampshire, and his wife Ursula (53), in Church Lane, Botley, Hampshire, described as their niece. One surmises that these are relatives of Jane Munday's.

In 1861, at 213-215 Commercial Road, were James Bussey (36) Pork Butcher, Ellen Jane (35), James W (10), Benjamin (6) and Francis (2). None of the girls are listed. [Portsmouth Local History, list of Butchers, Meat Dealers (PDF)]

Then James Wilmot Bussey, butcher of Arundel Street, Landport, died, aged just 47, on 10 Jun 1870 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 318 and was buried, on 12 Jun 1870 at Portsea Cemetery. (Kingston cemetery – St Mary’s Road, Fratton also referred to as Portsea or St Mary’s cemetery.)

In 1871, at 81, Arundel Street, Portsea, Jane Bussey (46) is listed as a Pork Butcher, with son James (19) Assistant, Ellen (17), Benjamin (15), Susan (13), Frank (11), Elizabeth (9) and Minnie (4).

In 1881, Ellen J Bussey (55) widow, Formerly butcher's wife from Bishop's Waltham, was again at 81, Arundel Street, Portsea with her son Benjamin Bussey (26) Pork butcher employing 1 man and his wife Emily J (21).

Ellen Jane Bussey died, aged 72, in 1897 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 305.

Thursday, 10 March 2022

John Leese and Caroline Bussey

Looking down from Telscombe Cliffs
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John Leese (b. 1826), purportedly from Portsea, son of John Leese, although I've been unable to identify his birth or baptism, married Caroline Bussey, the eldest daughter of Benjamin Bussey and Elizabeth Bowen and sister to Hannah Bussey and Susannah Bussey at St Mary's Church, Portsea, Portsmouth, on 23 Feb 1852. The year before, Caroline Bussey (24) had been a housemaid at Greenwich Hospital, London, home for retired sailors of the Royal Navy. 

John and Caroline Leese had seven children:
  1. Susan Caroline Leese b. 1852 D Quarter in ROMNEY MARSH Volume 02A Page 646, baptised at All Saints ChurchLyddRomney Marsh.
  2. Margaret Hannah Leese b. 1857 J Quarter in ROMNEY MARSH Volume 02A Page 677, baptised at All Saints ChurchLyddRomney Marsh.
  3. Henrietta Leese b. 1860 M Quarter in LEWES Volume 02B Page 169, bap. 12 Feb 1860 in Telscombe, presumably at the church of St Laurence.
  4. Henry John Leese b. 5 Jan 1862 M Quarter in LEWES Volume 02B Page 164, bap. 7 Feb 1862, also in Telscombe.
  5. Mary Jane Leese b. 1864 S Quarter in LEWES Volume 02B Page 161
  6. Elizabeth Leese b. 1867 M Quarter in LEWES Volume 02B Page 178
  7. William James Leese b. 1869 D Quarter in LEWES Volume 02B Page 182
In 1861, at Lower Bannings, Lewes Sussex (in the area of Saltdean) were John Leese (35) Coast Guard R N; wife Caroline (35), Susan C (8), Margaret H (4) and Henrietta (1). I've not yet seen John Leese' naval or pension record, but the fact that he is a coastguard (the second in the family, one on each side) explains why they were in Lydd earlier, of which is said, "As with much of the marsh, the town was a base for smuggling in the 18th and 19th centuries."

In 1871, listed at the Coast Guard Station, Newhaven, Lewes, Sussex, were John Leese (44) Chief Boatman Coast Guard, Caroline Leese (44), Susan Leese (18), Henrietta Leese (11), Henry Leese (9), Mary J Leese (9), Elizabeth Leese (4) and William Leese (1). Margaret Leese (14) was working as Servant in the household of John Sykes, Assistant Secretary Civil Service (father of Sir John Charles Gabriel Sykes (1869-1952) at 38 Kensington Square, Kensington.

In 1881, living at 41, Ivory Place, Brighton, Sussex were John Leese (54) Naval Pensioner from Portsmouth, Hampshire; Caroline Leese (54); Margaret Leese (23) Dressmaker; Hetty Leese (Henrietta) (21) Confectioner's Assistant; Jane Leese (Mary Jane) (16) Pupil teacher and Elizabeth Leese (14) At home helping mother. Susan Caroline Leese had married in 1877; Henry John Leese, who had joined the Royal Navy in 1879, was an "Ordinary seaman pupil teacher" at HMS President (shore establishment) in Poplar (Wapping), while William James Leese (11) was a pupil at Greenwich Hospital, School, Greenwich, Kent.

John Leese died, aged 55, in 1882 M Quarter in BRIGHTON Vol 02B Pg 195.

Caroline Leese died, aged 62, in 1889 S Quarter in BRIGHTON Vol 02B Pg 125.

Wednesday, 9 March 2022

James Henry Tubb and Susannah Bussey

HMNB Portsmouth and HMS Victory
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James Henry Tubb (b. 1 Apr 1834), son of William Tubb and Sarah Ruff - brother of Edward Tubb - married Susannah Bussey, daughter of Benjamin Bussey and Elizabeth Bowen - and sister of Hannah Bussey, on 10 Nov 1857, at the second (built 1843), St. Mary's Church, Portsea. (Not for the first time among my relatives that two brothers had married two sisters.)

James and Susannah had six children: 
  1. Sarah Elizabeth Tubb b. 1858 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 337, bap. 6 Feb 1859 at St Mary's Church, Portsea. (Sarah Elizabeth Tubb later married Alfred Burgess Tregurtha on 12 Feb 1883. Sarah died on 25 Feb 1946. They are both buried at Williamstown Cemetery.)
  2. James Alfred Tubb b. 24 Dec 1861, GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 424, bap. 23 Feb 1862 at St Mary's Church, Portsea. (James Alfred Tubb married Evelyn Winch. James Alfred Tubb died on  23 Nov 1918 (aged 56) and is buried at Williamstown CemeteryWilliamstown, Victoria, Australia.)
  3. William Henry Tubb b. 1863 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 8, bap. 1 Jan 1865 at All Saints' Church, Southampton (regularly attended by author Jane Austen while she lived in Southampton and Pre-Raphaelite painter Sir John Everett Millais was baptised there.) Not included in the family grave in Australia, there was, however, a William Henry Tubb of the right vintage, who may have returned to Portsmouth.
  4. George Ernest Tubb b. 1866 J Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 65, bap. 8 Jul 1866, as George Emett Tubb, in Freemantle. He married Margaret Curtis, in Victoria, Australia in 1891. George Ernest Tubb, son of James Henry and Susan Tubb, died in Rylstone, New South Wales, in 1938.
  5. Nelly Tubb b. 1868 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 471. (Nelly Tubb married Walter Beverley Wood in Victoria, Australia, in 1890. Nelly Wood died, aged 25-26, on 12 Apr 1895.)
  6. Minnie Beatrice Tubb b. 1877 in Australia. (Minnie Beatrice Tubb married Henry John Manderson. Minnie died on 6 Jul 1967.)
James Tubb, from Landport, Hants, born 1 Apr 1834, 5ft 8in tall, with fair complexion, brown hair and grey eyes, had enlisted in the Royal Navy as a Boy First Class at 16, in 1850. James Tubb (16), Sailor was listed on the 1851 census in his parent's house, in Marylebone Street, Portsea.

James Henry Tubb's Naval Career: 

The Russian (Crimean War) War of 1854 - 1856:
This is the second of my relatives to have served in the Baltic during the Crimean War and also the second to have taken part in the 1856 Royal Fleet Review. At the review, the HMS Duke of Wellington was at the head of the Port line, while, according to the report in the The Illustrated London News, 26 April 1856, "Abreast of the Port line the Royal George led the Starboard [...] Then came the Nile ..." So not only were both sides of my family represented at the Review, they were on both sides of the line and their ships almost side-by-side.


HMS Marlborough in Valletta harbour, sometime between 1858 and 1864.

  • From 9 Feb 1858 until 22 Mar 1861, assigned to HMS Marlborough (1855) which will have taken him back to the Mediterranean. Feb 1858 Commissioned, Delayed sailing 128 days due to a lack of men. 1860 Flag Ship, Mediterranean. 22 Mar 1861 Paid off.

In 1861, James Tubb (27) Seaman RN, is listed as living in Landport View, Portsea, with wife Susan Tubb (26) and daughter, Sarah Tubb (2).

  • From 23 Mar 1861 to 14 Apr 1862 back at HMS Excellent.
  • From 15 Apr 1862 through to 7 Aug 1866, James was with HMS Boscawen (1844), which from Feb/Mar of 1862 had been hulked as a Boys training ship in Southampton Water. (This explains son William Henry Tubb's baptism taking place in Southampton, in 1865.)
  • A third stint at HMS Excellent from 8 Aug 1866 to 5 Oct 1867.

Taken at Williamstown, Victoria,
between 1870 and 1879.
Port broadside view of the wooden
steam battleship HMVS Nelson.
Then from 6 Oct 1867 to 14 Feb 1868, James was with HMS Nelson (1814). Given his history, I'd first thought they'd mean the shore establishment of the same name, but it was, in fact, an actual ship. Nelson was given to the colony of Victoria, and sailed for Australia in October 1867, thus James was on that handover voyage. Clearly, this also gave him the opportunity to see that part of Australia that the family would later make their home.

Back in Portsmouth between 15 Feb 1868 and 1 Mar 1869, James was, once more, assigned to HMS Victory shore establishment. 

James' final assignment, from 2 Mar 1869 until his retirement from the Royal Navy on 31 Dec 1870, was with HMS Duke of Wellington (1852) - coincidentally also my 2x great-grandfather's final ship in 1856 - at which time she replaced HMS Victory as flagship of the Port Admiral at Portsmouth (with Victory becoming her tender), her duties consisting of firing salutes to passing dignitaries, such as Queen Victoria on her way to Osborne House. As a Gunner's Mate since 6 Sep 1860, James may have helped fire those salutes.

In 1871, Susan Tubb (37) Seaman's wife, was living at 11 Besant Terrace, Portsea with Sarah (12), James (9), William (7), Ernest (5) and 'Millie' (Nelly) (3).

''Queen of Nations'' by Richard Ball Spencer

On 19 Mar 1873, Susan Tubb (38), Sarah E (14), James A (10), Wm Hy (9), George E (6) and Nelly (4), departed from Plymouth - the one in Devon, England, not America - on the clipper, Queen of Nations. They arrived in Melbourne after a journey of around 140 days. 

I've [so far] not seen a record of how James Henry got back to Australia, but I wouldn't mind betting he worked his passage as a merchant seamen.

Susan Tubb (née Bussey) died on 20 Aug 1912 and is buried in Williamstown CemeteryWilliamstown, Victoria, Australia. She will have been 80.

James Henry Tubb died on 8 Nov 1922, and is also buried in Williamstown CemeteryWilliamstown, Victoria, Australia. He will have been 88.

The Family Grave of J H Tubb at Williamstown Cemetery, Victoria, Australia Photo: Suzy & Rob

Wednesday, 23 February 2022

Benjamin Bussey and Elizabeth Bowen

The first Portsea Parish Church (St. Mary's) Built 1170 Demolished 1843.

Benjamin Bussey (b. 1781) married Elizabeth Bowen (b. 1796) at the first St Mary's Church, Portsea, on 28 May 1821. (Benjamin was a widower at the time of this marriage, having first married Sarah Deed at that same church on 31 Aug 1806, who had died, aged 37, and was buried there on 17 Nov 1820.)

Benjamin and Elizabeth had five children: 
  1. Benjamin Bussey bap. 22 Mar 1822 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  2. James Wilmot Bussey bap. 24 Mar 1824 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  3. Caroline Bussey bap. 6 Aug 1826 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  4. Hannah Bussey b. 1828
  5. Susannah Bussey b. 1832
There don't appear to be baptisms for the last two girls.

Benjamin Bussey of Hereford St, Landport died on 10 Dec 1835 and was buried on 17 Dec 1835, the record says, at Portsea Cemetery (presumably St Mary's). 

In 1841, Elizabeth Bussey (45) was living in Chandos Street, Portsea with Benjamin (19), James (18), Caroline (15), Hannah (13) and Susannah (9).

In 1851, Elizabeth Bussey (56) widow, washer woman, was living with son Benjamin (28) cattle drover, and staying with her were her then married daughter, Hannah Tubb (21) and her granddaughter, Elizabeth Tubb (0). James had married in 1845; Caroline Bussey (24) was that year a housemaid at Greenwich Hospital, London - permanent home for retired sailors of the Royal Navy. Susannah isn't listed anywhere that I can find.

Benjamin Bussey Jnr, aged 34, died or was buried on 7 Dec 1855, in Portsea.

In 1861, Elizabeth Bussey (66) widow, was living alone at Landport View.

Elizabeth Bussey died, aged approx. 69, in 1867, in Portsea.

Sunday, 20 February 2022

Edward Tubb, Hannah Bussey & Sarah Elizabeth Joy

The second St. Mary's Church, Portsea, built in 1843, incorporated the Tudor
west tower of the old church. ImageSimon WrightSome rights reserved

Edward Tubb (b. 1827), son of William Tubb and Sarah Ruff, married Hannah Bussey, daughter of Benjamin Bussey and Elizabeth Bowen at St Mary's Church, Portsea on 13 May 1850. (That will have been in the previous, second church, built 1843 on that site, not the current building, built in the 1880s.)

Edward and Hannah had three children:
  1. Elizabeth Tubb b. 1850 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 07 Page 173, bap. 29 Dec 1850 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  2. Susan Alice Tubb b. 23 Jul 1852 Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND UNION Volume 02B Page 334, bap. 7 Oct 1855 at St Mary's Church, Portsea
  3. Edward Tubb b. 1860 D Quarter in SHEPPEY Volume 02A Page 575, died, aged 2 in 1863 M Quarter in SHEPPEY Volume 02A Page 461, buried on 28 Mar 1863 at Sheppey Cemetery.
Checking the GRO, year by year, there were no other children between.

Although married, in 1851, the couple had not yet set up home. That year, Edward Tubb (23) Shipwright, was a visitor in the household of Jane Watsworth (40), Seaman's Wife in Nelson Street, Portsea (she may well have been a relative). While Hannah Tubb (21) and their daughter, Elizabeth Tubb (0) were in the household of Hannah's widowed mother, Elizabeth Bussey (56).

James Street, Sheerness
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They must have moved to the Isle of Sheppey, Kent between 1855 and 1860, because in 1861, the family lived at 4 James Street, Minster in Sheppey, Sheerness with Edward Tubb (33), Shipwright from Portsmouth; Hannah Tubb (32), Elizabeth Tubb (10), Susan Tubb (9) and Edward Tubb (0).

Then Hannah Tubb died, aged only 33, and was buried, on 27 Jun 1862, at Sheppey Cemetery.

In the 3rd quarter of 1864, Edward Tubb remarried, in Thanet, Kent, to Sarah Elizabeth Joy (bap. 8 Mar 1829 at St. John The Baptist, Margate), daughter of Edward Joy and Harriet Mary Garling. 

Edward and Sarah added another three children:
  1. Herbert Joy Tubb b. 8 Oct 1865 D Quarter in SHEPPEY Vol 02A Page 716
  2. Harriet Mary Tubb b. 21 May 1867 J Qtr in SHEPPEY Vol 02A Page 752
  3. Grace Hannah Tubb b. 9 Aug 1871 S Qtr in SHEPPEY Vol 02A Page 754
In 1871, living at 5 Rock Cottages, Minster, Sheppey, were Edward Tubb (43) Shipwright, Sarah E Tubb (42), H J Tubb (Herbert Joy) (5), HM Tubb (Harriet Mary) (3) and Harriet Curtis (13) Boarder. I've been unable to find either Elizabeth or Susan, who at 20 & 19, were presumably out working.

In 1881, they were living at Cheyney Rock Cottages, Minster in Sheppey. Edward Tubb (58); wife Sarah (51), Herbert (15), Harriet (13) and Grace (9). 

Edward Tubb died 26 Jan 1884, in Sheppey. He will have been 56. He is buried at Sheppey Cemetery, also, known as Halfway Cemetery, Sheerness.

In 1891, Sarah E Tubb (61), widow, was a lodger in the household of John Parrett (31) Upholsterer in Trinity Road, Minster in Sheppey. Visiting were daughter, Harriet Mary Penfold (26), Harriet M Penfold (6) and George E Penfold (2). Herbert J Tubb (25) Merchant's Clerk, was in Cornwall. Grace Tubb (19) was employed as a General Servant Domestic in the household of George Harper (49), Upholsterer & Auctioneer in Castle Street, Ashford, Kent.

Sarah Tubb, age estimated to 64, died in 1895 J Quarter in WEST ASHFORD (Volume 02A  Page 432). There is a record of a burial of a Sarah Tubbs in Ashford, on 10 May 1895, which very likely relates.