John Horn and Emma Green

St George in the East Church
  Steve Cadman / CC BY-SA

John Horn (John Isaac Robert Horn, b. 18 Jul 1845, bap. 31 Aug 1845 at St George in the East church in St George-in-the-East), son of Isaac Horn and Maria Thaxter, married Emma Green, daughter of Edward Green and Eliza Goodman, at St Thomas' church, Arbour Square, Stepney on 4 Nov 1867. 

The couple had three children: 

1. Emma Eliza Horn b. 1868 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 417
2. Edward John Horn b. 1871 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 472. Died 1871 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 305
3. Albert William Horn b. 1872 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 413. Died in 1905 J Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 316, aged 32.

After the death of Emma's father, Edward Green, landlord of the King and Queen in St George in the East, in 1870, her mother took over as landlady. In 1871, living with her was daughter, Emma Horn (22), Barmaid and Son-in-law, John Horn (23), Plumber, Emma Horn (2) and Edward J Horn (0).

In July 1875, John Horn was listed, by the East London Observer, as the Incoming Licensee at the Watermans Arms, Wapping High Street, E1, which he held until 22nd January 1876. Then on 20 May 1876, the same publication lists John Horn as the incoming licensee at the Salisbury Arms (The Salisbury Arms stood at 135 Eastfield Street, Limehouse, E14. Now demolished).

In 1881, at 135, Eastfield Street, Limehouse, Stepney, were John Horn (35), wife listed as J Horn (33) and children; Emma (12) and Albert William (8). 

There's a death of an Emma Horn who died, aged 37, in 1885 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 163. (Daughter Emma Eliza married in Southwark in 1888.) A death in St George in the East in 1886 has been suggested as an alternative, although the age does not compute on that record. We may deduce that Emma had died before 1889, because ...

In 1889, in London City, John Horn married Emily Grace Rudd (b. 8 Jul 1857), daughter of Samms Sheppard Rudd and Mary Sarah Ann Walrond. 

By 1891, John Horn (age listed as 33) was "Living on his own means" in Apsley Road, Croydon, Surrey, with new wife Emily Grace Horn (31) from Hoxton, and son, Albert William Horn (18) from his first marriage. 

John and Emily Grace added a further four children:

1. Emily Margaret Horn b. 10 Feb 1893 M Qtr in CROYDON Vol 02A 277
2. William John Horn b. 1898 S Quarter in CROYDON Vol 02A Page 242. Died 1898 S Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 139.
3. Edward John Horn b. 23 Feb 1900 M Qtr in CROYDON Vol 02A 298
4. Alfred George Horn b. 1 Jan 1902 M Qtr in CROYDON Vol 02A 250

John Horn was at the Albert Tavern, 67 Harrington Road, South Norwood, in 1896. In 1901, John Horn (52) Retired Publican was living 6, Harrington Road, Croydon, Surrey, with wife, Emily Grace Horn (42), son Albert Horn (28) Labourer, daughter Emily Margaret (8) and son Edward John (1).

Grave of John Horn at
Dulwich Old Cemetery

John Horn died, on Leap Day, 29 Feb 1904 (1904 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 224), "After Long & Patient Suffering", aged 58. He is buried at Dulwich Old Cemetery, along with his second wife and his daughter, Emma Eliza, from his first marriage to Emma Green. Their son, Albert William Horn, had died in 1905, at 32. 

In 1911, Emily Grace Horn (52), widow, was still living at 6, Harrington Road, Croydon, with daughter Emily Margaret (18) and sons Edward John (11) and Alfred George (9). 

In 1921, at 6, Harrington Road, Croydon, were Emily Grace Horn (60), Edward John Horn (21), Alfred George Horn (19) and Emma Nash (82) Visitor, Aunt.

Emily Grace Horn was also still at 6, Harrington Road, Croydon in 1939, aged 82, along with her granddaughter, Ivy Carter (24) Domestic Servant. 

Emily Grace Horn, of 19 Macclesfield Road, Woodside, Croydon, widow, died on 7 Aug 1950, at 93. Probate was granted to Edward John Horn, engineer, and Alfred George Horn, fitter. She was buried with her late husband. 

• Emily Margaret Horn married Bert Carter (b. 23 Feb 1893) at St Luke's Church, Woodside, Croydon, on 20 Dec 1914. Witnesses were Emily Grace Horn and Alfred Lawrence. The couple had at least six children between 1915 and 1926. In 1939, the family were living at 19 Macclesfield Road, Croydon. Emily Margaret Carter died, at 89, in Croydon, in 1982.
• Edward John Horn married Ivy Gladys Henderson (b. 3 Oct 1895 in Hackney), daughter of James Frederick Henderson and Alice Susan Hann, in Lewisham, in 1926. They had one daughter, born 1938. Edward J Horn, Electrical Engineer and Ivy G Horn were living at 73 Seekhurst Road, Beckenham in 1939. 
• Alfred George Horn (30) son of John Horn (Publican, deceased), married Ellen Doris Ball (b. 5 Aug 1905), daughter of Charles Ball and Alice Margaret Jackson, at St Mark's, South Norwood, on 22 Nov 1932. Witnesses were Emily Grace Horn and Alice Margaret Harman. Alfred and Ellen had one daughter, Janet Horn b. 1933. In 1939, they were living at 3 Cassland Road, Croydon, Surrey. Alfred George Horn (b. 1 Jan 1902) died in Tonbridge, Kent in the 1st quarter of 1971. Ellen Doris Horn (b. 5 Aug 1905) died in Chesterfield, Derbyshire in the 4th quarter of 1989.

Charles Green and Sarah Ann Hockley

Felsted: Holy Cross Church
cc-by-sa/2.0 - © Michael Garlick - geograph.org.uk/p/4540484

Charles Green (b. 1851 M Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 12 Page 102), son of James Green and Rebecca Crow, married Sarah Ann Hockley (bap. 9 Aug 1857 at St Mary the Virgin, Great Dunmow), youngest daughter of George Hockley and Eliza Crow, in Felsted, on 16 Oct 1877. (Still need to figure out the relationship between Rebecca Crow and Eliza Crow.)

Charles and Sarah Ann Green had eight children:

1. James Arthur Green b. 1879 S Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 04A Page 462, bap. 31 Aug 1879 in Felsted
2. Jessy Alice Green b. 1881 J Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 494, bap. 24 Apr 1881 in Felsted
3. William George Green b. 1883 M Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 04A Page 543, bap. 27 May 1883 in Felsted
4. Lucy Sarah Green b. 4 Jan 1888 M Quarter in DUNMOW UNION Volume 04A Page 613, bap. 1888 in Felsted
5. Rose Green b. 1890 J Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 605. Died in 1914 S Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 785
6. Charles Alfred Green b. 13 Feb 1894 M Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 695, bap. 1894 in Felsted
7. Ellen Green b. 1897 J Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 708, bap. 1897 in Felsted
8. Kate Green b. 1901 J Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 814

In 1881, at Cock Green, Felstead, Dunmow, Essex were Charles Green (28) Ag Lab; Sarah Green (23), James A Green (1) and Lucy Green (0) - they must have changed their minds and called her Jessy Alice instead.

In 1891, still at Cock Green were Charles Green (37) Agricultural Labourer; Sarah A Green (32), James A Green (11), Jessie A Green (9), William G Green (7), Lucy S Green (3) and Rose Green (1).

In 1901, in Felsted, were Charles Green (48) Cowman on Farm; Sarah Ann Green (42), James Green (21) Thatcher; Jessie Green (20), William Green (18), Lucy Green (13), Rose Green (11), Charles Green (7) & Ellen Green (3).

In 1911, in Felsted, were Charles Green (58) Cowman on Farm; Sarah Green (52), William Green (26) Farm Labourer; Rose Green (20); Charles Green (16) Cow lad on farm; Ellen Green (13) and Katie Green (9), both at School. James Arthur Green had married in 1907; Jessie Alice Green (28) from Felsted, Essex was a House Maid in the household of Frederick William Watson (33) Sergeant Royal Artillery Band in Woolwich, Kent and Lucy Green (21) was General Servant to Kitty Ethel Stawnton (42) at Edward House, Felsted.

In 1921, Charles Green (68) Farm Labourer, employed by Mr Scrivener, Farmer at Pond Park [Farm], Felsted; Sarah Green (63), Lucy Green (29) and Kate Green (20) were living at Brook Cottages [Cobblers Green], Felsted.

Charles Green of Pond Park Cottage, Felsted, died aged approximately 83, on 25 Dec 1933 (1933 D Quarter in DUNMOW Volume 04A Page 999) and was buried, on 30 Dec 1933 at Holy Cross Church, Felsted.

Sarah Ann Green died, aged 78, in 1936 D Quarter in CHELMSFORD Volume 04A Page 682 and was also buried at Holy Cross, Felsted on 17 Nov 1936.

Edward Green and Eliza Goodman

St. Matthew's Church, Bethnal Green
cc-by-sa/2.0 - © Dr Neil Clifton - geograph.org.uk/p/688069

Edward Green (50) Licenced Victualler, Batchelor, son of William Green, Blacksmith, eventually married Eliza Goodman (49) Spinster, by Licence at Christ Church, St George in the East (Christ Church Watney Street), on 12 Jun 1870. They'd already been living together for around 30 years. Neither could read and write and each made their mark with an X. Witnesses were Charles John Osborne and Ann Bellett, Eliza's eldest sister.

Edward and Eliza had already had five lovely daughters: 

1. Eliza Green b. 1841 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 63, mother's maiden surname Goodman. (This looks like the child on the 1841 census. Eliza born 1841, does not appear on the census again.) There is a death of an Eliza Green, aged 8 in 1850 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 3 that would correspond.
2. Emma Green b. 1847 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 16, with mother's maiden surname listed as Goodwin (Close LOL).
3. Mary Ann Green b. 3 Jul 1849, bap. 29 Jul 1849 at St Matthew's, Bethnal Green. This baptism lists their address in Scott Street, Bethnal Green. Found no civil birth registration for Mary Ann. 
4. Sarah Green b. 15 May 1854, bap. 11 Jun at Christ Church, Stepney.
5. Eliza Louisa Green b. 21 Mar 1858 in St George in the East (1858 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 413. Mother's maiden surname Goodman), bap. 18 Apr 1858 at Christ Church, Watney Street, Shadwell. (The transcript of the London, Docklands And East End Baptisms says Christ Church, Jamaica Street, Stepney, but that church didn't open until 1877.) Died, aged 13, in 1871 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 361 and was buried on 29 Jul 1871 at the City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery.

From his baptism, we discover that Edward Green was born on 28 May 1821 and baptised on 7 Oct 1821 at the church of St George in the East, Cannon Street Road, son of William Green, Brazier and his wife Matilda. 

The records of the 1st and 5th births had already confirmed Eliza's surname as Goodman. The 1851 census, said she was from Braintree, Essex. On her marriage certificate, Eliza lists her father as Thomas Goodman, Carpenter, making her the daughter of Thomas Goodman and Mary Ann Pluck.

There is a record of an Edward Green (18) occupation Cabinet Maker, being indicted for stealing, on the 28th of January 1837, "1 horse-cloth, value 4s., the goods of Robert Campion". He was tried at the Old Bailey on 2 Feb 1837, found guilty and sentenced to one month in Newgate Prison.

In 1841, in Anglesea Street, St Matthew, Bethnal Green, there's a weird census entry of an Edward Green (20), Cabinet Maker, not born in the county and, with him are an Elizabeth (2) and Elizabeth (1 month). This might make sense if the first Elizabeth was 20, but it doesn't look like a mis-transcription. And Elizabeth isn't Eliza. Nevertheless, I'm still pretty sure this is them.

In 1851, living in Scott Street, Bethnal Green, we find Edward Green (32), Cabinet Maker, born in Shoreditch, with Eliza Green (28), born in Braintree, Essex, and daughter Emma Green (3). Where was Mary Ann? 

On Eliza Louisa's baptism in 1858, the family's address was given as Chapel Street, St George in the East, which was later renamed Tait Street. And we know they were already at the The King and Queen public house in 1856.

Chapel Street, St. George in the East was later renamed Tait Street (although the street doesn't exist at all now - current Tait Street is a completely different location). The King and Queen Public House, long since demolished, stood on the corner of Tait Street and Mary Street (marked P.H.) You can clearly see the area referred to as 'a yard in the rear'.

Anyway, it would seem from the newspaper report I've discovered (see below) that Edward Green was the subject of a sting operation, authorised right from the top in Scotland Yard. (If you're going to do something, aim high, eh?)

Fascinating to read dialogue that came straight out of the mouths of these ancestors, even if they do sound, shall we say, a bit on the rough side. :)

Sunday opening isn't even a crime now, but trying to blame Eliza, nooooo ....

From The Morning Chronicle of Monday, November 8, 1858.

SUNDAY IN A PUBLIC HOUSE – ARTS OF THE POLICE

Edward Green, the landlord of the King and Queen public-house, in Chapel Street, St. George’s-in-the-East, appeared at the Thames Police-court, on Saturday, on a police information charged with unlawfully opening his house for the sale of ale, beer and spirituous liquors on Sunday morning last, during the hours prohibited by law.

Richard Blanks, a police-constable, 81 K, stated that he was directed by Mr. Superintendent Howie, of the K division, to detect the defendant, who was in the practice of supplying people with beer and spirits on Sunday, during the whole of the day, while other houses were closed. He went to the house in plain clothes, dressed as a waterman, and was accompanied by Mrs. Randall, the female searcher at the station-house adjoining the Thames Police-court, who was the wife of a police-constable. On reaching the defendant’s house Mrs. Randall knocked at the front door, and waited some time without its being answered, and he said, “Come old lady, we shall not be served with anything here.” The door was then opened by the defendant, who narrowly scrutinised them both, and after looking at the trousers of witness, which were not blue [a laugh], said, “You will do; have what you like,” and directed them to a side door, which was opened, and they were admitted into the house and directed to a yard in the rear, in which was a private bar fitted up. There were 20 men and women in front of the small bar, and they were served with rum, gin, ale, beer, and tobacco. He saw others admitted at the side door, and let out after they were served at the back door. Mrs. Randall asked for two pennyworth of gin and cold water, which was supplied to her. He then called the landlady on one side, and told her she was doing wrong. She said, “What of it?” He then asked for the landlord, and told him what he had seen and he said it was a bad job.

The defendant, in reply to the charge, said that he could not contradict what was said. He was not aware what was done in the house. His wife did it all, and admitted people into the house without his knowledge.

Mr. Yardley: Where was the landlord – the defendant, I mean?

Blanks: He was at the front door. He directed me to the side door.

Mr Yardley: To be sure; you said so before. Don’t tell me, Mr. Green, you were not aware of it. It is a most flagrant case.

Sir Richard Mayne KCB (27 November 1796 – 26 December 1868) was a barrister and the joint first Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis, the head of the London Metropolitan Police (1829–1868).

Inspector Hayes, of the K division, said repeated complaints had been made by licenced victuallers and beer shop keepers, who complied with the law, of the practice adopted by the defendant, who stood at the front door to reconnoitre, while persons were admitted at the side door. Mr. Howie, the superintendent, had made a special complaint to Sir Richard Mayne, the Chief Commissioner of Police, and had received his permission to adopt the means of detection used on Sunday morning last. Mr. Howie intended to be present to explain to the magistrate why he adopted the unusual step of allowing a woman to accompany the constable, but was obliged to leave the court to meet the commissioners.

Mr. Yardley: There is no harm in the means adopted to detect the defendant. No trap was laid. Mr. Howie was perfectly justified in doing what he has done. There is nothing illegitimate in the mode of finding out what was going on. I would not convict if a trap had been laid, but it appears there were 20 persons in the house. I shall deviate from the ordinary practice where a first offence has been proved. I generally treat a first offence lightly, but I fine the defendant £3 and costs, because he has broken the law systematically.

The fine was instantly paid.

[£3 in 1858 is equivalent to about £375 in 2020. Source.]

In 1861, at 25, Mary Street (same place: on the corner with Tait Street), St George in the East, were Edward Green (40), Publican, Eliza (38), Emma (13), Mary (12), Sarah (6) and Eliza (3), and Harriet Blundell (12), visitor.

Edward Green died on 22 Jun 1870, aged 50, from liver and kidney disease, just 10 days after he and Eliza married. From this, we can probably deduce that he knew how sick he was and at least cared enough to leave Eliza the means, through marriage, to take over the pub licence and a livelihood.

In 1871, at Tait Street, St George in the East (still the King and Queen pub), were Eliza Green (48), Widow, Licenced Victualler, married daughter, Emma Horn (22), Barmaid, John Horn (23), Plumber, Sarah Green (17), Eliza Green (13), Eliza Thompson (2), granddaughter, Emma Horn (2), granddaughter, Edward J Horn (0), grandson, and Emily R Slade (14), General Servant.

The East London Observer in August 1875 lists Eliza Green as the outgoing licensee at the King and Queen, ending the Green's tenure at this pub. 

In 1881, Eliza was living with her daughter Sarah and her husband, Alfred James Lynch, at the Duke of Norfolk public house in Mile End Old Town. 

Eliza Green, widow of Edward Green, Licenced Victualler, died on 12 Feb 1882 (1882 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 462) at the Duke of Norfolk public house in Mile End Old Town from Chronic Bronchitis. Her death was registered by Alf J Lynch, son-in-law.

Alfred James Lynch and Sarah Green

Duke of Norfolk, Stepney, E1. Image: Ewan Munro Some rights reserved

Alfred James Lynch (b. 26 Feb 1852, bap. 21 Mar 1852 at St George in the East), youngest son of John Lynch and Ann Wiltshire, married Sarah Green, (b. 15 May 1854, bap. 11 Jun 1854 at Christ Church, Watney Street, Shadwell), daughter of Edward Green and Eliza Goodman, at the church of St Thomas that had stood in Arbour Square, Stepney, on 5 Jun 1871.

Alfred and Sarah Lynch had five children:

1. Alfred Arthur Lynch b. 1873 J Qtr in MILE END Vol 01C Page 513, bap. 15 Jun 1873 at St Thomas, Arbour Square, Stepney
2. Albert William Lynch b. 29 May 1874 S Qtr in MILE END Vol 01C Page 473, bap 5 Jul 1874 at St Thomas, Arbour Square, Stepney
3. George Edward Lynch b. 1876 D Qtr in MILE END Vol 01C Page 588
4. Sarah Eliza Lynch b. 1879 S Qtr in MILE END Vol 01C Page 569
5. Ada Lynch b. 1881 J Qtr in MILE END Vol 01C Page 547

On the baptism records for their first two sons, Alfred Arthur and Albert William, Alfred James Lynch's occupation is listed as a Packer.

In 1881, at the Duke of Norfolk, 14 Norfolk Street, Mile End Old Town, we find A J Lynch (29) Licenced Victualler; S Lynch (27) Wife; sons A A Lynch (8), A W Lynch (7), G E Lynch (5), daughter S Lynch (2), E Turner (18) Female General Servant and the widowed mother-in-law, Eliza Green (59).

In 1891, Alfred Lynch (39), Beer & Wine Retailer, Sarah (36) and son Albert (16), a Commercial Clerk, were living in Camberwell, Southwark, London.

By 1901, they were back at 291, Oxford Street, Mile End Old Town (which, I believe, later became Stepney Way), with Alfred Lynch (49) Laundry Man, Sarah (47), Albert (22), Railway Porter, Ada Lynch (19), Ironer, Emily Lynch (5), Granddaughter, and a Eliza Ellis (20), General Domestic Servant.

Alfred James Lynch died, aged 55, in 1907 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 252.

In 1911, still at 291, Oxford Street, Mile End Old Town, Sarah Lynch (56), Widow, Laundress, was living with her married daughter, Sarah Pope (32) and grandchildren, Joseph Pope (8), Rosa (2) and May (0).

In 1921, Sarah Lynch (67) Widowed, was living at 12, Oley Place, Stepney, Mile End Old Town, London. Again at the same address was Sarah E Pope (42) Attendant Ladies Underground Convenience, for Stepney Borough Council; Joseph A Pope (18), Rosa V Pope (12) and May A Pope (11).

There are several death records that may relate to Sarah Lynch.

John Perry and Elizabeth Brown

The Mast House and Brunswick Dock at Blackwall, drawn, engraved and published by William Daniel, London, October 20th, 1803, and dedicated to John Perry. 

John Perry (b. Tuesday, 4 Jan 1743, bap. 25 Jan 1743 at St Dunstan's, Stepney), Batchelor, son of John Perry and Ann Watlington, married his first cousin Elizabeth Brown (b. Wednesday, 3 Jul 1745, bap. 11 Jul 1745), Spinster, Minor, daughter of John Brown and Elizabeth Perry, at St Dunstan's, Stepney on 19 Mar 1765. They were married by Licence dated 6 Mar 1765. Witnesses to their marriage were John Brown, Elizabeth's father and Philip Perry, John's older brother. John Perry's father, also John Perry, was the brother of Elizabeth Perry, Elizabeth's mother, so both were grandchildren of Philip Perry and Elizabeth Flemming. And if any further confirmation of this were needed, it's literally spelled out in a Codicil to the Will of their uncle, Ephraim Seehl, where he leaves bequests "... to my nephew John Perry and also to my niece Elizabeth Perry his wife ... as had given and bequeathed before in the Will to their fathers John Perry and John Brown".

For the absence of any doubt, this is the 'famous' John Perry, Shipbuilder credited as the founder of the Blackwall Yard, where he built ships largely for the East India Company (although due credit needs to be given to his father, John Perry, and grandfather, Philip Perry, before him). [The Perry Family: Shipbuilders at Blackwall.] The information on their shipbuilding appears to be pretty well documented, but the family history is scant and not at all accurate. My reasons for researching this family are two-fold: initially, because John Perry's sister, Elizabeth Perry, married my 1st cousin seven times removed, Elnathan Ayres, so we're distantly related by marriage, but whomever, these people deserve to be remembered as accurately as possible.

John and Elizabeth Perry had nine children:

1. Elizabeth Perry b. 15 Jan 1767, bap. 16 Jan 1767 at St Dunstan's, Stepney, as Elizabeth, daughter of John Perry Junr of Poplar Ship Builder & Elizabeth at 1 day old. Reputedly died on 25 Jan 1767, there is a burial of Elizabeth Perry at St Dunstan's, Stepney on 27 Jan 1767.
2. John Perry b. 27 Jun 1768, bap. 28 Jun 1768 at St Dunstan's, as John, son of John Perry Junr of Poplar Ship Builder & Elizabeth, 1 day old.
3. Philip Perry b. 7 Feb 1770, bap. 8 Feb 1770 at St Dunstan's, as Philip, son of John Perry Junr of Poplar Ship Builder & Elizabeth, 1 day old.
4. Elizabeth Perry b. 15 Jan 1772, bap. 16 Jan 1772 at St Dunstan's, as Elizabeth, daughter of John Perry Esq of Poplar & Elizabeth, 1 day old.
5. Sarah Perry b. 20 Sep 1776, bap. 22 Oct 1776 at St Dunstan's, as Sarah, daughter of John Perry of Poplar Ship Builder & Elizabeth, 2 days old.
6. Richard Perry b. 2 May 1779, bap. 31 May 1779 at St Dunstan's, as Richard, son of John Perry Shipwright & Elizabeth of Poplar, 29 days old. This Richard Perry died, at the age of 17, and was buried at Poplar Chapel (St Matthias Old Church) on 29 Jun 1796.
7. Thomas Perry b. 13 Jun 1781, bap. 13 Jul 1781 at St Dunstan's, as Thomas, son of John Perry Ship builder & Elizabeth, 30 days old.
8. Charlotte Perry b. 28 Oct 1783, bap. 30 Oct 1783 at St Dunstan's, Stepney, as Charlotte, daughter of John Perry of Poplar Ship Builder & Elizabeth at 2 days old.
9. Louisa Perry b. and bap. 4 Aug 1785 at St Dunstan's, Daughter of John Perry of Poplar Shipwright & Elizabeth born the same day.

Portrait of John Perry from
The Chronicles of the Blackwall Yard

The Chronicles of the Blackwall Yard (PDF) by Henry Green and Robert Wigram (published 1881), which is never that accurate on the Perry family history, says that in 1796, "At Blackwall, Mr. Perry's first wife, Elizabeth, died on the 25th of January at the age of forty-nine. Elizabeth Perry had actually died in 1795 - at which date she was indeed 49 - and the parish records of St Dunstan's, Stepney list the burial, on 2 Feb 1795, simply as 'Elizabeth Perry at Poplar', this being Poplar Chapel (St Matthias Old Church). A tablet to her memory in Poplar Chapel records "... the goodness and sincerity of her heart and her parental and conjugal virtues."

In 1798, John Perry of Moor Hall, Harlow (Moor Hall, near Harlow, Essex, [later] the Seat of Thomas Perry, Esquire) was High Sheriff of Essex.

"Travelling from Blackwall to Harlow, Mr. Perry's road lay through Epping Forest, which was considered both a long and dangerous journey. Mr. Perry drove this with his own horses, and frequently stopped to dine at Woodford ; he always took his own wine with him, but at the same time he made a point of paying at the inn for the amount which he might be supposed to have consumed. In the neighbourhood of Woodford he had a great friend. Sir Robert Preston, a large shipowner and Deputy Master of the Trinity House, who used to send him the dessert for his dinner."

Next, John Perry, of this parish, Widower and Mary Green of the same parish, WIDOW, were married, by Banns, at Saint Pancras Parish Church (St Pancras Old Church, which is reputed to be the oldest Christian church in Britain) on 31 May 1798. Witnesses were Mary Hutchinson and Mary Green[1]. 

Once more a year out, The Chronicles of the Blackwall Yard, claim that in 1799, "About this date Mr. Perry, having purchased the estate of Moor Hall, Harlow, married for his second wife Mary, the sister of his son-in-law, George Green, forming thus the double connection of father and brother-in-law." This assertion is repeated, unchallenged, on many family trees, and at Wikipedia it says John Perry married 'Green's sister Mary', but was she George Green's sister? The record says otherwise. As we see, upon her marriage to John Perry, Mary was clearly identified as a widow, so this would mean that Green was her previous married name, not her maiden name. It's unlikely that the church would call her a widow by mistake and both of them signed their own names, so were presumably able to have challenged any error; Mary was 29 at the time of this marriage, an age at which, back then, she was less likely to have been a spinster too. The most plausible explanation for the situation then would be if she was the widow of George Green's brother. 

People considered a sister-in-law as an actual sister in those days. We only have to reference Elizabeth Bennet's conversation with Wickham, in Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice, which was of this era, at Longbourn (when he and her sister Lydia visit after their 'infamous elopement') and Wickham, now her brother-in-law, is attempting to retell history to his own advantage, and Lizzy retorts, "Come, Mr. Wickham, we are brother and sister, you know."

So, did George Green have a brother, who had died? Yes, apparently, he did. An elder brother, John Green, bap. 29 Oct 1764 in Chelsea, who is purported to have died in 1786 "At Sea", Sulawesi Tengah, Indonesia. In one family tree he is even shown represented by the flag of the East India Company (for whom the Perrys built ships). I'd like it a lot better if I'd seen a record from a primary source substantiating this, but as yet I have not. Similarly, it would be horrendously difficult to absolutely prove as there are probably thousands of marriages between a John Green and a Mary 'something', but one marriage record looks tantalisingly promising: that of John Green and Mary Spooner, both of the parish of St Andrew, Holborn, City of London on 6 Jan 1785. Interestingly, one of the witnesses to that marriage was a Richard Perry.

[1] Mary Green is listed as being Mary's mother in both John's and Mary's wills, but I still don't think this is a discrepancy, nor is it 'proof' that she was Green at birth, because if Mary had indeed married John Green, she would have become part of that family and been considered as a daughter.

John and Mary Perry had a further six children:

10. Richard Perry b. 14 Feb 1801, bap. 14 Mar 1801 at St George's Church, Bloomsbury, London Borough of Camden
11. George Perry b. 2 Jun 1802, bap. 1 Aug 1802 at St Mary & St Hugh, Old Harlow, Essex
12. Mary Ann Perry b. 23 Aug 1803, bap. 1 Oct 1803 at St Mary & St Hugh, Old Harlow, Essex
13. Caroline Perry b. 5 Sep 1805 (allegedly). Caroline Perry of Poplar (7m), was buried at Poplar Chapel (St Matthias Old Church) on 1 May 1806.
14. Charles Perry b. 17 Feb 1807, bap. (date not transcribed) at St Mary & St Hugh, Old Harlow, Essex
15. Amelia Perry b. 15 Nov 1808, bap. 16 Jan 1809 at St Mary's Church, Battersea

John Perry Esquire (66) died on 7 Nov 1810 in Battersea, at his house there, Terrace House (now Old Battersea House, 30 Vicarage Crescent, Battersea, London, SW11). "... built in 1699 and probably replacing a house called Stanlies. This is late 17th, plain but substantial. It was restored, by Vernon Gibberd, in 1972-4. A carved frieze with globe and instruments may refer to Samuel Pett, Controller of Victualling to the Navy who lived here in the 17th. There is a sundial with the date 1699. The house was occupied by a series of industrialists and business people – many connected with shipbuilding and with Pett family connections. In the early 19th this included member of the Perry family, and George Green of Blackwall Yard lived nearby as an apprentice." [Source]. John Perry had bought the house in 1810 and "Changes to Perry’s will make clear that the Terrace House was intended as his permanent residence, but he died soon after his purchase in 1810, leaving it to his second wife Mary." [Source] (More recently it was owned by billionaire publisher Malcolm Forbes. It last sold, for a mere £8M, in 2020.)

The Parish Register of St Dunstan's, Stepney lists his burial on 15 Nov 1810, as "John Perry Esquire of Popar at Poplar". He's buried with his [1st] wife in the family vault at Poplar Chapel (St Matthias Old Church). 

A note about John Perry's date of birth: It's said that he was born on 6 Apr 1743, but the only source for that appears to be his grave. That date has been accepted without question by many, but by that time, somebody must have remembered incorrectly, because the contemporary baptism record cannot lie: John Perry was baptised on 25 Jan 1743 at 21 days old, meaning he was born on 4 Jan 1743. Or at least it was 1743, on the Julian calendar, then in use. Before 1752, the year began on March 25th, not January 1st. Thus entries between January 1st and March 24th of a given year would be, confusingly, one year behind our calendar. His birth, in the modern Gregorian calendar, would be in the 1st month of 1744. The calendar change happened when John Perry was about eight and in the same year that his mum is reported to have died. Little wonder then that he might get it wrong later. And people didn't celebrate birthdays anyway then. Pure speculation, but if someone later just knew he'd been born shortly after 'the beginning of the year', but then remembered that the year had started near the end of March when he was born, I can, just, see how they might conflate it to a date in early April. 

Of other details I've been able to learn about John Perry from this research is that he's listed as having attended Harrow School; he retired in 1803, "In this year Mr. Perry retired entirely from business, selling his remaining half of the yard and his interest in the business to Messrs. John and William Wells.", and, apparently, his hobby was felling trees. I can see why this might be because he'll have worked with a lot of wood. From NOTES AND QUERIES Series 11 - Volume 6 tn s. vi. AUG. 24, 1912: The Mast-house at Blackwall. The Mast-house at Blackwall was an ugly building used by the firm of Perry, shipbuilders of the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, for preparing masts. "Masthouse," I may remark, is a "dictionary word," and is found both in ' The New Oxford Dictionary ' and in ' The Century Dictionary.' The Mast-house at Blackwall' was taken down by the East and West India Dock Company in 1862. Those who may be further interested in the history of this matter, and in the firm to which the Mast-house belonged, should refer to " Chronicles of Blackwall Yard, by Henry Green and Robert Wigram, Part I. [no more issued], 1881." This book is one of great interest and research, and gives many delightful biographical details of John Perry (born 1743; died, Battersea, 7 Nov., 1810), whose dockyard was " more capacious than any other private dockyard in the Kingdom, or probably in the world." In the ' Chronicles of Blackwall ' (facing p. 42) will be found an oval portrait of the head and shoulders of John Perry, revealing him as possessed of a very handsome face. His hobby was felling trees. One of his sons, Richard, wrote: "I think I see my father now, with his face slightly elevated and beaming with intelligence (he was one of the handsomest men of the day), issuing from his hall door armed with a saw or billhook attached to a long pole, with which he operated on the top branches of lofty trees." One of John Perry's sons was Bishop of Melbourne and a Senior Wrangler. Further details of the family and of their connexion with Blackwall and Moor Hall, Harlow, Essex, will be found in early editions of Burke's ' Landed Gentry.' There are several illustrations of the Mast-house in the British Museum. A. L. HUMPHREYS.

John Perry met King George III, who, "it is related, was fond of inspecting the embarkation of his troops, and would at such times ask Mr. Perry many very pertinent questions". "So courteous was the old King to Mr. Perry on all occasions, that at last he was jokingly stilled (sic) among Mr. Perry's intimates, 'The friend of the family.'" The Prince of Wales "did not show him the same kindly consideration as his Royal father." Mr. Perry's career was throughout marked by extreme liberality and by a magnanimous and public spirit. His family believed that he might have obtained a peerage [given his achievements, this had occurred to me too], and he is stated to have refused a baronetcy.

The Chronicles of the Blackwall Yard suggest that the following lines inscribed on his monument are worth recording:

"If private worth, combined with public zeal,

Demand a tribute of the love we feel;

If honor, truth, nobility conspire

To form examples which the just admire,

This frail memorial may awhile suspend

The swift oblivion that succeeds our end;

Preserve some record for the stranger's eye

Of generous virtues that should never die,

Of active merits mixed with ardent mind,

Which made his own the good of human kind,

Diffus'd around the bounty Heaven bestows,

And sooth'd the sharpness of malignant woes;

The poor attest it, whom he clothed and fed.

The sick he nourished on their dying bed ;

The friends he succcur'd, and the youth he reared.

To Christian hope by Christian promise cheered;

In deeds like these, revere his honor'd name,

In Brunswick Dock his arduous skill proclaim

That bold achievement of his useful toil

Which bless'd with consequence his native soil.

First taught this humble spot with wealth to smile.

And rise Emporium of the British Isle;

May such benevolence, from Earth removed,

Await its destiny from God he loved.

Celestial grace and mercy guard his tomb.

And endless glory seal his final doom.''

Photo © DS Pugh (cc-by-sa/2.0)

Chester Terrace, Tuesday, 24 September, 2024

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In 1841, Mary Perry (age rounded down to 70), was living at 18, Chester Terrace, St Pancras, London. (The Grade I listed terrace has the longest unbroken façade in Regent's Park.) Sadly, this is the only Census she appears on, so although there is a N (for NO) indicating that she was born outside the County (of Middlesex), there is no indication of where she actually was born. Living with her was her youngest daughter Amelia Perry (~30) Ind (of independent means) and they were attended by Milly Ward (25) and Elizabeth Hall (35) Female Servants and William Blondell (25) Male Servant. 

Mary Perry, widow of John Perry, Gentleman, died, aged 74, on 23 Mar 1843 (1843 M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Vol 01 Page 275) from Inflammation of the Lungs. Her death was registered on the same day by Elizabeth Capon, Servant, present at the death at Chester Terrace. However, I can find no burial record for Mary Perry anywhere, which given her family and position, seems a little strange. Neither have I found any newspaper announcement, which I would also have expected. Probate was granted on the Will of Mary Perry, of Chester Terrace, Regent's Park, Widow of John Perry, late of Moor Hall, Harlow, to her son Richard Perry on 15 Apr 1843.

NB: John Perry's Will with 4 Codicils, which runs to 13 folio pages of period handwriting and Mary Perry's Will of a further five handwritten pages, will be the subject of further research (at some unspecified time in the future). Any new information discovered therein will be added here in due course.

Several of John Perry's children didn't marry:

1. John Perry, of Harlow Essex, allegedly died on 5 Jul 1824, at 56, and was buried, on 16 Jul 1824 at Poplar Chapel (St Matthias Old Church). 
2. Philip Perry, of Brunswick Square, died, aged 60, on 19 Jan 1830. He was buried, of 27 Jan 1830 from All Saints Church, Poplar. He is also buried at Poplar Chapel (St Matthias Old Church).
3. Louisa Perry, I was unable to find in either 1841 or 1851 (abroad maybe?), but in 1861, Louisa Perry (75) Fundholder, was living in Avenue Road, Marylebone, London. She had four servants: a Butler, Cook, Lady's Maid and Housemaid looking after her. The Chelmsford Chronicle of 18 Jun 1869 reported on her death, "PERRY - 11th inst. At 5 Avenue Road, Regent's Park, in the 84th year of her age, Miss Louisa Perry, daughter of the late John Perry, Esq., of Blackwall, and of Moor Hall, in this county." (1869 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 399). She was buried at St Mary & St Hugh, Old Harlow on 18 Jun 1869. On 19 Jul 1869, "The Will with a Codicil of Louisa Perry of 5 Avenue Road, Regent's Park in the County of Middlesex Spinster deceased who died 11 June 1869 at 5 Avenue Road aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oaths of Amelia Perry of 32 Avenue Road aforesaid Spinster the Sister by the Half-Blood, John Watlington Perry Watlington of Moor Hall Harlow in the County of Essex Esquire Nephew and Charles Cancellor of 7 Token House Yard in the City of London Esquire the Executors." Effects under £35,000 (only ~£5M today).
4. Richard Perry (40) Barrister at Law, in 1841, was at Moor Hall, Harlow. In 1851, Richard Perry (50) Practicing Barrister was head of the household at Chester Terrace, St Pancras, London with his sister Amelia Perry (42) and Emily A Perry (19) Niece. The household employed a Footman, Housemaid, Cook and Lady's Maid, the housemaid being Elizabeth Capon (39) from Rochester, Kent who had been the informant and present at the late Mary Perry's death in 1843. And in 1861, Richard Perry (60) Barrister retired was still the head of the household at 18, Chester Terrace, St Pancras, London with his sister Amelia Perry (52) Fundholder, and three servants. Richard Perry died at 61 on 24 Apr 1862 (1862 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 4). The London Evening Standard of 28 Apr 1862 carried the announcement, "PERRY - On the 24th inst., at 18, Chester Terrace, Regent's Park, suddenly, Richard Perry, Esq., aged 61, elder surviving son of the late John Perry, Esq., of Moor Hall, Harlow, Essex and formerly of Blackwall, Middlesex." Richard Perry was buried, on 2 May 1862 at St Mary & St Hugh, Old Harlow. Also on 2 Jun 1862, "The Will of Richard Perry, formerly of Lincoln's Inn but late of Chester Terrace, Regent's Park both in the County of Middlesex Esquire deceased who died 24 April 1862 at 18 Chester Terrace aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oaths of John Watlington Perry Watlington of Moor Hall in the County of Essex Esquire and the Reverend George Perry of Camberwell in the County of Surrey Clerk the Nephews and the Reverend John Edward Hall of Cleveland Terrace Hyde Park in the said County of Middlesex Clerk the Executors." Effects under £35,000 (less than a paltry £5.5M today.)
5. Amelia Perry, in 1841, was living with her mother; In 1851 and 1861, in the household headed by her brother Richard Perry. In 1871, Amelia Perry (62) of Private Means was living at 32 Avenue Road, Marylebone, London, with a Cook, Housemaid and Footman to attend her. Amelia Perry died, aged 65, on 27 Feb 1874 (1874 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 476), and was buried on 5 Mar 1874 at St Mary & St Hugh, Old Harlow. On 30 Mar 1874, "The Will of Amelia Perry late of 32 Avenue Road, Regent's Park in the County of Middlesex Spinster who died 27 February at 32 Avenue Road was proved at the Principal Registry by John Watlington Perry Watlington of Moor Hall Harlow in the County of Essex Esquire the Nephew the sole Executor." Effects under £40,000 (virtually a pauper at a value of only around £5.75M today.)

West Ham and South Essex Mail of 20 Nov 1931:

A LONDON SHIPPING FAMILY

An interesting account is given in the November issue of "The P.L.A. Monthly" of the family of the Perry's, so closely associated with docks and shipyards at Blackwall. As early as 1701 [no evidence] there was a Perry shipbuilding at Blackwall, but it was not until 1779 that John Perry "purchased the whole of the Blackwall Yard estate, together with other property in Poplar, for £8,000." About the same time George Green was starting as an apprentice at the Yard which became more famous when he and Wigram were building fine ships there. Brunswick Basin, now incorporated within the East India Docks, was begun in 1789 by John Perry, and was always known locally as "Perry's Dock". Here stood the famous "Mast House" which remained a striking riverside landmark until removed by the East and West India Dock Company in the 1860's. After John Perry retired to a country estate in Essex, he married as his second wife the sister of his son-in-law, George Green, this becoming father-in-law and brother-in-law to his partner. [See notes above] The Blackwall Yard was then owned by John Perry (the third of the name), Philip Perry (also the third of  the name), George Green, and the Wells brothers who had been shipbuilders at Deptford. Various descendant of the Perry family remain, but the surname is borne only by a John Perry - now a very old gentleman - who is a grandson of the second John Perry.

Further links:

• John Perry (shipbuilder)
• John Perry (1743-1810) at Three Decks
• Blackwall Yard at Three Decks
• 'View of Mr Perry's Yard, Blackwall'
• Poplar History up to the 19th Century
• The East India Docks: Historical development
• Poplar High Street: The church of St Matthias