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Showing posts with label Tower Hamlets. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Tower Hamlets. Show all posts

Friday 5 January 2024

Job Sweeney and Eliza Louisa Tompson

Globe Road, Bethnal Green
cc-by-sa/2.0 - © Stephen McKay - geograph.org.uk/p/4697355
Very much a part of the traditional East End, Globe Road runs north from Stepney Green station to Roman Road, and then on to this northern stretch up to Old Ford Road. 

Job Sweeney (b. 6 Feb 1870), son of John Henry Charles Sweeney and Susannah Harvey, married Eliza Louisa Tompson (b. 24 Aug 1868), daughter of Dan Tompson and Mary Ann Green, on 5 Jan 1893, at the Parish Church of St Anthony, Globe Road, Stepney. (The church of Saint Anthony stood in the borough of Bethnal Green, but was part of the rural deanery of Stepney. It closed in 1936 and the building was demolished in 1937.) Both claimed to be 24 and both gave their address as 3 Monteagle Street, Stepney. 

Their only son, Job Thomas Sweeney (right), was born at 25 Monteagle Street, Stepney (which further research suggests was a boarding house) on 27 Aug 1897 and baptised at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, on 19 Sep 1897.

In 1901, Job Sweney (sic) (33) Warehouseman, Eliza Sweney (sic) (32) and Job Sweney (sic) (3), were living at 8, Repton Street, Limehouse

My mother always claimed that her father and grandmother, Eliza Louisa, had been living in Sidney Street at the time of the Siege of Sidney Street, or Battle of Stepney that took place in January 1911. It's not impossible, but I can find no records to support this. Eliza Louisa was well away from the area when Cable Street (where she was born) had it's own battle in 1936.

By the time of the census on 2 April 1911, the family were living at 102 Fore Street, in the City of London. They lived in a flat above the warehouse that came with the job, where Job Sweeney (41) was employed as Packer and Caretaker; Eliza Louisa Sweeney (41), Job Thomas Sweeney (13) and Amy Dobson (19) Domestic Servant, Friend (Amy Dobson b. 1892, was the sister of Ruth Christmas Dobson, wife of Job's brother Charles Sweeney.) 

In 1921, Job Sweeney (51) Packer, was still living and working at 102, Fore Street, City of London, for Hoffnung & Co Shipping Merchants; with wife, Eliza L Sweeney (52) and son, Job T Sweeney (23) Warehouseman, working for Wills & Co (W.D. & H.O. Wills) at their Holborn Viaduct factory (for whom he eventually worked for around 36 years.) (Calling herself Amy Margaret Dobson (29) Charwoman, in 1921 - no idea where the Margaret came from - living at 102, Hind Street, Poplar, this census tells us she was working for Messrs Hoffnung & Co Ltd at 102 Fore Street, City, E C.)

Job Sweeney died, on 6 December 1924, aged 54, of Tuberculosis. 

Eliza Louisa Sweeney (née Tompson)
with her granddaughter, Ivy. On a A Day
Out in Clacton-on-Sea in the 1930s
Eliza Louisa was still living at 102 Fore Street with her son Job and his wife, Elizabeth (Bet) and granddaughter, Ivy, in 1939 and remained there until their home was destroyed in WWII, thought to have been on or around the night of 29–30 Dec 1940, the so-called Second Great Fire of London.

Eliza Louisa Sweeney, otherwise Sweney (as it says on her death certificate), died on 13 Feb 1953, in Hornchurch, Essex, from coronary thrombosis, influenza, chronic bronchitis and old age. She was 84.

Saturday 4 November 2023

John Horn and Emma Green and Emily Grace Rudd

St George in the East Church
  Steve Cadman / CC BY-SA
John Horn (John Isaac Robert Horn, b. 18 Jul 1845, bap. 31 Aug 1845 at St George in the East church in St George-in-the-East), son of Isaac Horn and Maria Thaxter, married Emma Green, daughter of Edward Green and Eliza Goodman, at St Thomas' church, Arbour Square, Stepney on 4 Nov 1867

The couple had three children: 
  1. Emma Eliza Horn b. 1868 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 417
  2. Edward John Horn b. 1871 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 472. Died 1871 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 305
  3. Albert William Horn b. 1872 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST Volume 01C Page 413. Died in 1905 J Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 316, aged 32.
After the death of Emma's father, Edward Green, landlord of the King and Queen in St George in the East, in 1870, her mother took over as landlady. In 1871, living with her was daughter, Emma Horn (22), Barmaid and Son-in-law, John Horn (23), Plumber, Emma Horn (2) and Edward J Horn (0).

In July 1875, John Horn was listed, by the East London Observer, as the Incoming Licensee at the Watermans Arms, Wapping High Street, E1, which he held until 22nd January 1876. Then on 20 May 1876, the same publication lists John Horn as the incoming licensee at the Salisbury Arms (The Salisbury Arms stood at 135 Eastfield Street, Limehouse, E14. Now demolished).

In 1881, at 135, Eastfield Street, Limehouse, Stepney, were John Horn (35), wife listed as J Horn (33) and children; Emma (12) and Albert William (8). 

Emma Horn died, aged 37, in St. Olave Southwark, London, in 1885.

In 1889, in London City, John Horn married Emily Grace Rudd (b. 8 Jul 1857), daughter of Samms Sheppard Rudd and Mary Sarah Ann Walrond

By 1891, John Horn (age listed as 33) was "Living on his own means" in Apsley Road, Croydon, Surrey, with new wife Emily Grace Horn (31) from Hoxton, and son, Albert William Horn (18) from his first marriage. 

John and Emily Grace added a further four children:
  1. Emily Margaret Horn b. 10 Feb 1893 M Qtr in CROYDON Vol 02A 277
  2. William John Horn b. 1898 S Quarter in CROYDON Vol 02A Page 242. Died 1898 S Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 139.
  3. Edward John Horn b. 23 Feb 1900 M Qtr in CROYDON Vol 02A 298
  4. Alfred George Horn b. 1 Jan 1902 M Qtr in CROYDON Vol 02A 250
John Horn was at the Albert Tavern, 67 Harrington RoadSouth Norwood, in 1896. In 1901, John Horn (52) Retired Publican was living 6, Harrington Road, Croydon, Surrey, with wife, Emily Grace Horn (42), son Albert Horn (28) Labourer, daughter Emily Margaret (8) and son Edward John (1).

Grave of John Horn at
Dulwich Old Cemetery
John Horn died, on Leap Day, 29 Feb 1904 (1904 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 224), "After Long & Patient Suffering", aged 58. He is buried at Dulwich Old Cemetery, along with his second wife and his daughter, Emma Eliza, from his first marriage to Emma Green. Their son, Albert William Horn, died in 1905, at 32. 

In 1911, Emily Grace Horn (52), widow, was still living at 6, Harrington Road, Croydon, with daughter Emily Margaret (18) and sons Edward John (11) and Alfred George (9). 

In 1921, at 6, Harrington Road, Croydon, were Emily Grace Horn (60), Edward John Horn (21), Alfred George Horn (19) and Emma Nash (82) Visitor, Aunt.

Emily Grace Horn was also still at 6, Harrington Road, Croydon in 1939, aged 82, along with her granddaughter, Ivy Carter (24) Domestic Servant. 

Emily Grace Horn, of 19 Macclesfield Road, Woodside, Croydon, widow, died on 7 Aug 1950, at 93. Probate was granted to Edward John Horn, engineer, and Alfred George Horn, fitter. She was buried with her late husband

The former Albert Tavern, South Norwood
cc-by-sa/2.0 - © Peter Trimming - geograph.org.uk/p/6765699
In 2021 was closed and likely to be re-developed as housing.

  • Emily Margaret Horn married Bert Carter (b. 23 Feb 1893) at St Luke's Church, Woodside, Croydon, on 20 Dec 1914. Witnesses were Emily Grace Horn and Alfred Lawrence. The couple had at least six children between 1915 and 1926. In 1939, the family were living at 19 Macclesfield Road, Croydon. Emily Margaret Carter died, at 89, in Croydon, in 1982.
  • Edward John Horn married Ivy Gladys Henderson (b. 3 Oct 1895 in Hackney), daughter of James Frederick Henderson and Alice Susan Hann, in Lewisham, in 1926. They had one daughter, born 1938. Edward J Horn, Electrical Engineer and Ivy G Horn were living at 73 Seekhurst Road, Beckenham in 1939. 
  • Alfred George Horn (30) son of John Horn (Publican, deceased), married Ellen Doris Ball (b. 5 Aug 1905), daughter of Charles Ball and Alice Margaret Jackson, at St Mark's, South Norwood, on 22 Nov 1932. Witnesses were Emily Grace Horn and Alice Margaret Harman. Alfred and Ellen had one daughter, Janet Horn b. 1933. In 1939, they were living at 3 Cassland Road, Croydon, Surrey. Alfred George Horn (b. 1 Jan 1902) died in Tonbridge, Kent in the 1st quarter of 1971. Ellen Doris Horn (b. 5 Aug 1905) died in Chesterfield, Derbyshire in the 4th quarter of 1989.

Sunday 30 August 2020

The King and Queen Pub, St George in the East

Chapel Street, St. George in the East was later renamed Tait Street (although the street doesn't exist at all now - current Tait Street is a completely different location). The King and Queen Public house, long since demolished, stood on the corner of Tait Street and Mary Street. You can quite clearly see the area referred to as 'a yard in the rear' of the premises where events took place.

Edward Green, one of my 3x great-grandfathers, originally a cabinet maker, was landlord of the King and Queen public house in St George in the EastShadwell, north of Wapping in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets - from the 1850's until his death, in 1870, at age 50, from liver and kidney disease (one can't help wondering if he'd been regularly sampling his own stock) when his wife, Eliza Goodman, originally from Braintree in Essex, then became landlady of the said pub for a further five years.

(More on the couple and their children: Edward Green and Eliza Goodman)

In 1861 the family were listed as living at 25, Mary Street, St George in the East and, in 1871, the address for Eliza and family is given as 51 Tait Street. This was useful to determine that these are actually the same place, with the pub (marked P.H.) located on the corner of those two streets.

Anyway, it would seem from the newspaper report I've discovered (see below) that Edward Green was the subject of a sting operation, authorised right from the top in Scotland Yard. (If you're going to do something, aim high, eh?)

Fascinating to read dialogue that came straight out of the mouths of these ancestors, even if they do sound, shall we say, a bit on the rough side. :)

Sunday opening I can forgive him for. That's not even a crime now.

Trying to dob his missus in for it though, puleeez nooooo ....


From The Morning Chronicle of Monday, November 8, 1858.

SUNDAY IN A PUBLIC HOUSE – ARTS OF THE POLICE


Edward Green, the landlord of the King and Queen public-house, in Chapel Street, St. George’s-in-the-East, appeared at the Thames Police-court, on Saturday, on a police information charged with unlawfully opening his house for the sale of ale, beer and spirituous liquors on Sunday morning last, during the hours prohibited by law.

Richard Blanks, a police-constable, 81 K, stated that he was directed by Mr. Superintendent Howie, of the K division, to detect the defendant, who was in the practice of supplying people with beer and spirits on Sunday, during the whole of the day, while other houses were closed. He went to the house in plain clothes, dressed as a waterman, and was accompanied by Mrs. Randall, the female searcher at the station-house adjoining the Thames Police-court, who was the wife of a police-constable. On reaching the defendant’s house Mrs. Randall knocked at the front door, and waited some time without its being answered, and he said, “Come old lady, we shall not be served with anything here.” The door was then opened by the defendant, who narrowly scrutinised them both, and after looking at the trousers of witness, which were not blue [a laugh], said, “You will do; have what you like,” and directed them to a side door, which was opened, and they were admitted into the house and directed to a yard in the rear, in which was a private bar fitted up. There were 20 men and women in front of the small bar, and they were served with rum, gin, ale, beer, and tobacco. He saw others admitted at the side door, and let out after they were served at the back door. Mrs. Randall asked for two pennyworth of gin and cold water, which was supplied to her. He then called the landlady on one side, and told her she was doing wrong. She said, “What of it?” He then asked for the landlord, and told him what he had seen and he said it was a bad job.

The defendant, in reply to the charge, said that he could not contradict what was said. He was not aware what was done in the house. His wife did it all, and admitted people into the house without his knowledge.

Mr. Yardley: Where was the landlord – the defendant, I mean?

Blanks: He was at the front door. He directed me to the side door.

Mr Yardley: To be sure; you said so before. Don’t tell me, Mr. Green, you were not aware of it. It is a most flagrant case.

Sir Richard Mayne KCB (27 November 1796 – 26 December 1868) was a barrister and the joint first Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis, the head of the London Metropolitan Police (1829–1868).
Inspector Hayes, of the K division, said repeated complaints had been made by licenced victuallers and beer shop keepers, who complied with the law, of the practice adopted by the defendant, who stood at the front door to reconnoitre, while persons were admitted at the side door. Mr. Howie, the superintendent, had made a special complaint to Sir Richard Mayne, the Chief Commissioner of Police, and had received his permission to adopt the means of detection used on Sunday morning last. Mr. Howie intended to be present to explain to the magistrate why he adopted the unusual step of allowing a woman to accompany the constable, but was obliged to leave the court to meet the commissioners.

Mr. Yardley: There is no harm in the means adopted to detect the defendant. No trap was laid. Mr. Howie was perfectly justified in doing what he has done. There is nothing illegitimate in the mode of finding out what was going on. I would not convict if a trap had been laid, but it appears there were 20 persons in the house. I shall deviate from the ordinary practice where a first offence has been proved. I generally treat a first offence lightly, but I fine the defendant £3 and costs, because he has broken the law systematically.

The fine was instantly paid.

[£3 in 1858 is equivalent to about £375 in 2020. Source.]